Digitimes: Other Notebook OEMs also stepping back from Windows RT tablets

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Digitimes: Nokia Windows RT tablet delayed due to Surface.

 

It seems Acer is not the only OEM who is stepping back from Windows RT products after the announcement of the Surface RT tablet.

Digitimes reports that multiple OEMs were initially enthusiastic about Windows on ARM, but that interest has cooled after the launch of the Microsoft Surface.

According to them Asustek Computer, Dell, Samsung Electronics and Lenovo all plan to ship less than 50,000 units each of such devices, while Acer of course, but also Sony, HP and Toshiba have all decided not to ship any products at all.

Even Nokia, who Digitimes claims was set to launch a Windows RT tablet in cooperation from Compal, has postponed the plans because of Surface RT.

Fortunately this has not reduced their commitment to Windows 8, with multiple Clover Trail products already shopping in volume.

AMD it has also shipped processors to be used by Asustek, Dell, Fujitsu, HP, Lenovo, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba, to develop more than 125 Windows 8-based PCs, while AMD’s Z-60 APU has also recently landed orders from Fujitsu for its new 10.1-inch tablet.

It suggests Microsoft may have been wiser than first believed by delaying the release of the Surface Pro tablet to January 2013.

Do our readers agree? Let us know below.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/henrik.erlandsson1 Henrik Erlandsson

    Do not see the reason why stepping back. Everyone knows that Microsoft alone will not be able to fill the needs for Windows RT. It was mentioned somewhere that Microsoft were initially able to produce 3 million RT devices which will most probably not meet demand.

    Also, OEMs should see RT as a step stone to Windows 8 products.

    • Ryan T

      RT has very poor performance, it won’t be anything these other OEMs can fix hardware wise. While front-end Win8/RT performance is very smooth on the Surface, as soon as you load an App or run a 3D program you realize there are serious bottlenecks in the architecture of the OS.

      • Joe_HTH

        Complete and utter bullshit. I stream 1080p movie trailers and youtube videos with no problem and no stuttering. Numerous apps I have installed run beautifully. If an app has poor performance, it doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the architecture of the OS or the OS at all.

        So take your FUD somewhere else.

        • Ryan T

          Its not a lie, its not bullshit. There is a significant tradeoff in using the RT devices. I’ve used the Samsung tablet from BUILD, i’ve used the nVidia reference tablet with Tegra 3 on board. The RT devices are seriously underpowered.

          They perform only slightly better than the AMD C-60 processor with Radeon GFX in the Acer W500 tablet.

          The reason why i think it has to do with the OS is that MS preaches write once, deploy everywhere type of development environment but its far from the truth. In order to get comparable performance from the ARM Chipset you have to completely rewrite your app, and do a ton of tuning for the specific chipset. Most devs didnt have any access to ARM hardware to realize this, and it wasn’t communicated to the devs that DID have them.

          D3D abstraction isn’t mature enough to provide good performance on BOTH platforms, much texture/polygon downscaling and hardware specific routines have to be written for the Tegra 3 chips.

          • Bugbog

            If anything, your comparison of the Acer W500 to the Surface RT is a compliment. I had the W500, and there was nothing wrong with it’s performance running full Windows 8; I just didn’t like the tablet itself.

            Also, you’ve just proved Joe_HTH’s point, that it’s the apps that are at fault, not the O.S.

          • Ryan T

            Did you run any games on the W500? That tablet was something awful, not to mention its poor touch response and glitchy touchscreen. As for pure Win8 performance like I said UI frontend works pretty smooth but as soon as you do animations or sounds in the XAML frontend things go to hell.

            MS specifically told DEVS NOT TO LAYER XAML and D3D because it has upwards of a 10%-15% performance hit. This was on intel hardware running corei5s, i cant imagine the effect it would have on an Atom chip or on the Tegra3

          • Bugbog

            Touch response on the W500 was fine, if you loaded the drivers. I also had that touch/glitch issue. You need(ed) to load the patch/fix from the Acer site; took care of the issue.

            One game that I’ve played on both the W500 and the Surface is the Judge Dredd vs Zombies; both run perfectly. No issues.
            Neither have I noticed any performance issues in Start screen or Desktop on either device.

            The W500’s C60 chip did run hot, and cause the fan to blow, when running intensive video or playing games. (didn’t affect performance, just noticeable on the hands and audible in a quiet room)

            No warmth issues when doing the same on the Surface.

            So, if anything, I’m enjoying performance on the ARM Tegra chipset better than on the x86 one!

          • theflew

            I agree. I’m selling my Acer W500 to get an Asus Vivo RT tablet. Not because I didn’t think the W500 worked, but because it’s a tank. Performance wise it’s pretty nice and gets the job done.

          • http://www.facebook.com/henrik.erlandsson1 Henrik Erlandsson

            But that goes for everything. If you are a serious developer you write native code for a 3D application. Point at one app that is written in native code that is not performing well?

          • Ryan T

            You do realize that Microsoft tout of “NATIVE” coding means access to C++ and DirectX. These are the very same tools of abstractions that work across ARM & INTEL chips. But its more complex than that, the two systems aren’t similar enough for their layer of abstraction to provide any comparable performance.

            The reality of the current Tegra3 Surface and all the RT tablets is that you WILL be getting a product that has been downscaled, reduced texture sizes, reduced polygon counts just to have the appearance of smooth operation.

            I guess that’s expected as we known Laptop and Tablet platforms are not equal. But you Surface guys telling me I’m bullshitting are looking at it from one side, and I’m giving you the comparison.

          • Ryan T

            And just as a note, Nvidia has failed Microsoft once before. The Zune ran on the original Tegra platform and it was totally incapable of maching the original iPod Touch on anything GPU related. Tegra 2 phones & tablets independent of Microsofts involvement underperformed on Android, and Tegra 3 has underperformed on Android tablets as well.

            The Surface suffers the same fate, no matter how good Windows 8 is as the base operating system.

          • http://twitter.com/Makavelli_Jrw Mr.InTernaTionaL

            Dude what universe are you living in because I have seen many videos that run 3D games and 1080p videoa flawlessly.. You are really borderlining trolll

          • http://www.facebook.com/henrik.erlandsson1 Henrik Erlandsson

            I agree that things *should* be easier. I guess we are fighting with the same problem as before when releasing games to different architectures. But again, my main post is about this is related to hardware and not software.

            I do agree that there are some limitations right now. My main drawback is resolution where Surface is a bit too low but I guess any drawbacks will be resolved next year when performance increases in new hardware – then distribution and coding will be easier.

            With the current pace of hardware improving we will see changes soon.

          • Ryan T

            And this is what I say about Surface and Tegra. The only Tegra 3 product that i’ve heard given praise for is the Asus line of Transformer tablets. If they are any indication of what can be done with Tegra 3 then the Surface can get there, but in WinRT’s current state it is not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/henrik.erlandsson1 Henrik Erlandsson

            It would be interesting to see a performance comparison between Surface and the Asus TAB because the latter runs S4 Plus: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-ATIV-Tab_id7464

          • Ryan T

            I don’t know when that device will be available, but it currently does not exist on Samsung’s own website.

            Edit: its here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/samsung-ativ-tab
            Edit2: Still not for sale

          • Bugbog

            I guess you never saw the Unreal Engine RT Demo? They [Epic] stated that it ran using Full Native code, NOT a stripped down, mobile version!

      • http://www.facebook.com/henrik.erlandsson1 Henrik Erlandsson

        Yeah, right… First, WinRT has _very_ little to do with 3D performance. Yes, current WinRT devices uses Tegra or Snapdragon which is limited in 3D in same way as other Tegra or Snapdragon devices (compare with Asus Transformer etc) – but these are hardware limitations which will improve as Nvidia and Qualcomm releases new hardware.

        Do you really own a Surface yourself? What “3D program” are you talking about?

      • GGlazer

        My Surface plays 1080p video and games just fine without any performance hit whatsoever. Near instantaneous task switching as well. Runs just like this guys:

    • techieg

      Well, MS needs to get to it. Go mine more magnesium, build more factories in China, and hire more Chinese workers. Its time to ramp up production on something everyone wants already. How else do they expect to take the tablet market with 3 million units or didn’t they believe in the product at launch? MS needs to be able to fulfill the demand because nobody want Win8 tablets in any other form, especially not the lame designs that OEMs seem to be demoing.

    • arrow2010

      Microsoft will not even sell 2 million Surface RTs by year end.

  • guesttt999

    That’s weird. If anything at all, OEMs should be launching more Windows 8 products with Surface being an example of how to design quality hardware for Windows. If other OEMs are holding back then Nokia should jump in and they know they will sell millions of tablets at a faster pace than their phones with lesser competition to deal with in Windows tablet market. This can help their financial situation as well and in turn help their Windows Phone lineup.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/WhoiamisnotImportant-Mclaurin/100001452991690 WhoiamisnotImportant Mclaurin

    As if any of the oems can produce anything remotely close to the surface tablet. If anybody were in the market to buy a tablet should be looking into the surface anyways.

  • sepatown

    I actually think this is a good thing. Good control of the RT story and more sales for Microsoft. But also, since Microsoft is not releasing an Atom based Surface, that’s a market the OEMs can corner and make money from since it’s going to be the same price point and battery life as the RT tablets. So what this means is that Microsoft will then nicely control the Software + Hardware combo of the Windows RT (Surface RT) devices, making the experience smooth, and as they see the success Microsoft will no doubt have with that gorgeous device they can then decide if they want some of that pie.

    • Ryan T

      The Atom based processors run just as bad as the Tegra 3 chip. Win8 very much requires a dedicated GPU as well. All the Intel chips built into the “Pro” tablets are terrible and under perform significantly unless backed by a Core i3/i5/i7 chip

      • http://twitter.com/redvip3r Hasan

        I have no idea what world you are living in, but clearly its not this one.

      • Joe_HTH

        Here comes this worthless, lying asshat. I guarantee you this fool has never even seen a Surface, much less used one. Take your ass back to the Apple sites.

      • kemite2

        please..did you have any link ? any Review of the Atom clover Trail ? ..NO..? Then…” SHUT UP”

      • http://twitter.com/Makavelli_Jrw Mr.InTernaTionaL

        Dude you need to skip town because you have had nothing but bad things to say about Windows 8 like it is just shit. I bet you think that the A6X is the best processor in the world huh??

        • Ryan T

          I have nothing but bad things to say about Windows RT Tablets. I am currently running a Asus Laptop from like 5 years ago with a fresh copy of Windows 8. I used Windows 8 from DP4 through DP8 and RP. Don’t tell me about about Apple products. I hate Apple. You don’t know who I am.

          I am speaking from pure hands on experience with this hardware.

        • Ryan T

          Let’s keep thr discussion about Windows please. Get your hands on hardware, at a store or something and load up some games and compare their performance across the different architectures and then get back to me.

      • GGlazer

        What’s up man? You ever use a Surface? It seriously runs liquid smooth brother, liquid.

        • Bugbog

          This guy comes across like Romney; sounding all reasonable and such. Until you realise he’s lying his ass off!! :)

        • Ryan T

          Yes I’ve used just about every hardware config available for the current crop of Windows 8/RT Tablets. Tegra 3 (Surface & Nvidia Reference Tablet), AMD-C series (Actually a Win7 platform, Acer W500), Atom Z2760 (ATIV Smart PC), Core i5 (Samsung series 7 Slate)

  • Bruce_Mc

    I think the reason the other manufacturers are holding back is price. They don’t want Microsoft to undercut them. Microsoft does not have to make a profit on the hardware they sell, at least not in the short term. They demonstrated that with Xbox.

    • Bugbog

      Would I like an inexpensive product? Hell Yes!

      But do I think the Surface RT is competitively priced? Absolutely!

      I do not think, in any way, that Microsoft has undercut it’s partners. Embarrassed them with their over-charging, maybe. But not undercut them, no.

      (And I’ve put my money where my mouth is!)

      • Bruce_Mc

        Do you think Microsoft charges itself $65 – $85 for a Windows RT license for Surface RT?

        • Bugbog

          Actually, yes.

          We as lay-people may think otherwise (I know I certainly used to when I was younger), but as with the adage “nothing in life is free”, they undoubtedly have to account [internally] for every license sold with a Surface device.

          It’s how they are able to then calculate their profit margins.

          • Bruce_Mc

            “We as lay-people…”

            You are making an assumption here.

            “… may think otherwise (I know I certainly used to when I was younger)”

            Your current way of thinking is not an improvement over your past way of thinking as far as I am concerned.

          • Bugbog

            Unless you are an Accountant? Then you are a lay-person!

            Ho! Personal Potshot?!!

        • http://twitter.com/laserfloyd Lewis McCrary

          I’d be surprised if they didn’t charge themselves. You have to keep up with the books for audits. I’m sure there are tax reasons, too. Wife is an accountant for a large consumer electronics company and the stuff she tells me makes my head spin. They account for EVERYTHING. Hence the job title. ;)

          • Bruce_Mc

            There are many ways that Microsoft can favor it’s own hardware division over an outside manufacturer. Lower licensing fees are one way. It comes down to trust I think. Some manufacturers have more trust in Microsoft, and the new move they are making, than others do.

  • agha

    What about bringing “nice Hardware” not fully loaded with crab-ware and at least some sort of after-sale Service instat of whining about the surface. I own a surface and its the best Piece of Hardware I ever own. Never would Change back to acer or others; Yo all had 30 years since MS DOS and you still suck

    • Schooner1984

      I agree with you about the bloat-ware. When I purchased a laptop in the past, I format and partition the hard drive and reinstall only the programs I will use. Did it with my old Toshiba WinXP Tablet PC and my current HP Tablet PC. Looks like I will NOT have to do that with my Surface Pro. Did it with all my desk tops, until I started building them myself in the late 90s.

  • techieg

    Well, this was not surprising. I take this as OEMs finally realizing how much they suck since none of their lousy offerings have garnered any such reactions. And they that if they proceed to making Win8 tablets, they will not sell compared to Surface RT and Pro. If the lame iPad can do it, I will say for Surface RT and Pro to go it alone with Win8 tablets. There is just so much excitement around them already and many are already switching from their tablets to it already. OEMs should stick to their other form factors, we all know if MS did not come up with Surface, it will be continued lack luster offerings. OEMs are acting as though Surface is a bad thing. In my books, and with many others, Surface is the best thing to ever happen in tech yet.

  • The__Truth__Hurts

    I’ll be picking up a Surface RT and then Surface Phone. If the OEMs made something better, I would pick up those.

    Samsung, Asus, Acer, Lenovo, Toshiba, HTC and others (I’m probably forgetting some). Those who make BOTH Android and Windows devices should do this. Phone and tablet wise.

    FOCUS. FOCUS. FOCUS. FOCUS. Focus on the device itself. Screw the OS. Just Focus on the hardware/design portion of the device. Make something that screams Samsung. Make something that screams Asus. You get the idea.

    then put on pure stock Android and Windows. No modifications, no bloatware, no skins, etc… If you want to give Samsung “apps” or Asus “apps”, etc…? Make a Samsung app store, Asus app store, etc.. and put the stuff in there.

    What I’m getting at is: If those 6+ companies I listed above focused on making ONE device (instead of two separate devices), instead of making 10 android and 10 windows devices, they would only need to make 10 overall. Which means they can focus more on the devices and the devices will be (cheaper) overall to me made. And if they focus on not adding stuff (bloatware/skins/etc..) it allow updates to go to all devices about the same time, and give the “pure experience” that isn’t destroyed by a bunch of “useless” apps/junk and if I want those I can download them easily.

    I have a feeling that the OEMs are just making it more difficult for themselves than it really hast to be.

    Give a “half baked” impression? Get a “half baked” response.

    Give all your force? Get much more response.

    I love the Galaxy Note. Would love to have either (more like both) Windows or Pure Android version of it. If Samsung make the Note II and offered Windows and Pure Android? They could massively increase their sales. Those who are in the Google ecosystem will get the Android and those in the Microsoft ecosystem will get the Windows.

    Do the same with the tablets. I know some would pick up the Transformer Android in a heartbeat. I know others who would pick up a Windows in a heartbeat.

    Granted, they may not double their sales, but I will say this: It would massively increase their sales overall.

  • ricardo057816

    so, if Microsoft releases a Clover Trail based Surface they will cancel their new tablets.

    What about Surface Pro? Will they can their Core tablets?

    This is nonsense.

  • http://twitter.com/GooseberryFool Ryan

    I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I’d like to see OEMs driving down the price on windows 8 atom tablets, cos they’re almost equal to their ARM counterparts now, and I’d prefer to be running full Windows 8 rather than a gimped version. On the other hand, seeing the prices RT and 8 tablets are going for, I’m thinking that OEMs are shying away purely because they’re too greedy. I can’t believe that none of them, even with the licensing fee, could not build an RT tablet that could undercut the surface by $50-100, so I can only assume that they’re trying to get away with too high a profit margin.

    • Bugbog

      Yep. That’s what I think too. They wish to produce, and charge, devices with high profit margins.

      Can’t really blame them though. On the one hand, Windows 8 hybrids shouldn’t be bargain basement. On the other hand, I do think a lot of their entry price points have been too high, especially given the fact that the hardware most of these OEM’s are deploying aren’t new designs! (like, maybe, they wish to recoup Android design & production costs from us PC users?

      Anyways, given my belief that Microsoft’s Surface lines will do well, that just means that the market won’t be flooded with multiple units of varying quality (given that MS limited initial RT deployment to 3 OEM’s), and Microsoft itself will then be able to produce yearly/bi-yearly quality hardware refreshes.

  • blackhawk556

    the reason they are scare is because in the first shot, MS has built a quality product that they can’t match, in all these years and the millions of devices all companies combines have sold, they have not been able to make killer hardware like MS was able to do on their first try.
    acer is mad, hahahahaha. oh, you mean the junky hardware making OEM that floods the market with crappy designs? I wonder why.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rikkirik-Contrera/100003341041631 Rikkirik Contrera

    I agree totally. Have they forgotten what competition and rivalry means??? W8 gives them the chance to offer not only consumers, but businesses an integrated productline of PC’s, tablets and phones. It’s time too take up the gloves and get in the ring.

  • blackhawk556

    Off topic, but does anyone know how to put this site on pulse?? What name do I look it up under. I hate having to come through wmpoweruser in order to read these articles.

  • N6600

    Oh, come on!

    I plan(ned) to buy Nokia Lumia 920 along with a tabled made by Nokia. To have it all in one brand. This forces me to wait “a bit” longer. I am pretty confident that the Nokia tablet will be better than Surface. Surface is fine, but lacks NFC and somehow better display.

    But this waiting makes me mad the one who’s responsible for this mess and confusion of partners and vendors should be smacked hard to wake up.

    • Bugbog

      I would think the term you’re looking for is [possibly] better spec’ced, rather than just ‘better’.

      As far as ‘confusion’, I don’t think there is any. For one thing, Microsoft limited the initial RT licenses to 4 vendors (of which only three are exercising it).

      Secondly, these OEM’s have taken a look at what they are producing, in relation to the Surface competition, and have, rightly, conceded that they need to rethink their Tablet productions. Would you not rather have a quality, well thought out product release, instead of a bland ‘me too’ device that adds nothing to the tablet conversation? (other than price gouging your pocket!)

      As long as the Surface RT performs well enough, then I’m not bothered by these OEM’s ‘apparent’ reconsideration. If anything, I think it’s funny, given that it’s these self-same OEM’s that have been [mostly] Churning out crap/bland Android tablet after tablet for the last TWO years?!

      How many Ten’s of OEM’s, ODM’s, and every “Other” in-between, has been producing the same/similar ARM units, competing with one-another? Much less Google itself that is, statedly, producing zero-margin products. But because Microsoft produces one.quality.product they are all now “re-thinking?” Hmmm.

      I think, ultimately, that this is good news for us, the consumer. Because Microsoft will now be able to show what it can do by itself, in terms of flagship products, without relying on ‘partner’s to push the message.

      • n6600

        Specification is one part of the overall feel. On the other hand I don’t want to say that Surface is bad.

        That’s nice, but personally I find it kind of limited. If I were Microsoft, I would offer my OS to anyone who’s interested and let them compete. The market will tell which one’s worth it and which one is not.

        I would not mind getting a Samsung or ASUS tablet. But if they delay the launch, a lot of folks will be disappointed.

        I don’t know how about the others, but probably I am not the only one who thinks that Microsoft cannot do it alone. Surface may be fine, but it cannot produce volumes like Apple. Microsoft wants to “please” American consumers first, rest of the world will come (I hope). So in case I would like to buy a W8 tablet these days, I am basically screwed.

        There may be more levels, why other vendors are waiting. Maybe they are not so confident about ARM powered models, or W8 in general. Not just that simple scare of Microsoft.

        • Bugbog

          Microsoft is opening up the RT licensing from Feb/march 2013. But with alot of these OEM’s complaining, who knows if more will join in?

          Microsoft may just need to carry the RT torch by itself if needed. Most of the OEM’s complaining about the RT have released upwards of 5 Android tablets to date, some have even released two this year already! (Acer, Asus, Samsung, Lenovo?!). So, I think, there is something other than just ‘pure competition issues’ at hand here. Why, for instance, haven’t we had/heard much ‘noise’ from Samsung, the volume producer itself? We already know they aren’t that shy when it comes to promoting their products?!

          Everyone performs limited releases. Even Apple. Given Microsoft’s perceived U.S. first nature, that its debut hardware release is Eight countries-wide, I consider fortunate! Amazon, for instance, despite it’s global retail reach, is only just now bringing its Kindle Fire to Europe and other regions (A whole year later!).

          Does this satisfy everyone? Definitely not. But for a global launch, it’s a good start.

  • geekobuntu

    The OEM’s cannot match the Surface build quality at that price point and make profit at the same time. MS is clearly selling them at a loss. That’s why no-one else is stepping in. As a result, MS has effectively limited the impact RT can make on the market to negligible. MS’s horrible brand will not sell hardware globally, at least not outside the USA.

    • Ryan Smith

      Actually, the Surface BOM (Bill of Materials) id $217. Of course you have to include R&D costs, shipping costs, inventory costs, labor costs, and marketing costs.

      However, outside of labor and inventory costs, those costs are fixed costs and can be applied to all each of the three million Surfaces from the initial shipment and only add a few dollars per Surface, so even at a maximum of $350 per unit with those costs added, they are making a good $100-150 per Surface sold.

  • Jason

    I’ve tried both Clover Trail and Tegra 3 W8 tabs and I can say that Tegra 3 pummels Clover Trail when it comes to graphics. To get a smooth framerate on Hydro Thunder, I had to set the quality to Medium and resolution to the lowest. Tegra3 handled High quality at medium resolution without much problem.

    Plus, the Clover Trail machine I was using suffered from stability issues. Not sure if it was specific to the Ativ SmartPC. I’m happy with my VivoTab RT at least till better Intel machines with comparable battery life, mobility, temperature, graphical prowess and connected standby features emerge on the market.

    • Bugbog

      Although I can’t exactly attest with any facts, I’m under the impression that OEM’s pay less attention to detail when using Intel chipsets, than when designing with ARM. (Or maybe it’s every Other Intel design that gets any ‘loving’?)

      I didn’t particularly care for my Acer W500. It was a solid device, but just didn’t seem to have any inherent quality to it. Although it performed well enough on Windows 8 (after the proper updates), I didn’t much care for the C-50 APU it had.

  • http://www.mainstreetchatham.com/ JimmyFal

    I think that, if the story is true, that the OEM’s are seeing an opportunity to jump over to the atom and clovertrail chips in order to differentiate themselves as having all the battery life and all the Windows legacy apps as well.
    It’s possible that this whole ARM thing could be a very short lived trip for Win RT if we can all of the sudden get the full Windows experience and all the batterylife. I love my Surface and whatever direction this thing takes is a good one. It is NOT akin to a Kin.

    • Bugbog

      I think that even if Clovertrail/Atom/Haswell processors perform better than ARM devices by multiple factors, Microsoft will still need to keep a foothold in the ARM sector.

      If only to:

      a) Keep up with the competition, and not be left behind, or be surprised by new developments, and

      b) Not give Intel another time period of monopoly/uncompetitiveness.

      Although the WinTel duopoly provided great benefits to computing, it also stifled innovation somewhat. I wouldn’t change the first 10 – 15 years of their partnership, but after that?.. (These last 8 years show the pitfalls of Microsoft’s over-reliance on Intel)

  • http://twitter.com/efjay01 Ef Jay

    Easy solution, drop the price of the Surface by $100, ramp up production, get it into all retailers worldwide, no one will miss the crappy oem’s, problem solved!

    • http://twitter.com/Makavelli_Jrw Mr.InTernaTionaL

      LOL They do that then OEMs will try to make their own OS which will make them go down even more. But it seems like some OEMs are getting their act together like Lenovo..

  • grs_dev

    This stance by the OEMs says that Intel flexed it muscles with them…

  • john smith

    I just want nokia to release a tablet

  • freeiam

    OEMs – create your own OS (look at android – blackberry – tizzi etc.) !!!

    byebye M$

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Tom/100001144097567 Gavin Tom

    Looks like Microsoft just powned all the oems, that thought it could just repackage all their old shitty tablets and port RT to them. Innovation, gotta always keep on trucking.

  • w1ngnut

    Here is why: they can’t match Surface’s build quality. 80% is crap, see for android yrself.