My Response To John Gruber On His Views On Windows 8

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When I was reading different views and opinions on Windows 8 across the web, this one caught my attention. Because I disagree with many of the author’s views and I just decided to write on that.

John Gruber starts his post by quoting Paul Thurrott’s tweet on Windows 8,

“Hello, Windows 8? This is iPad. You win.”

He doubts that will happen in the future and went on to add that,

One of the implications of Microsoft’s everything-except-phones-in-one-OS strategy for Windows 8 is that it could utterly fail as an iPad competitor, but still be a successful OS. I’m imagining here in this paragraph a scenario where Windows 8 proves to be good and popular for traditional desktop and notebook PCs — where by “good” let’s say we mean “better than Windows 7” — but doesn’t gain any traction at all in the tablet market.

So first he says Windows 8 won’t gain any traction in tablet market. BTW, What is the tablet market he means? Microsoft never said we are going to compete with iPad as tablet, in fact Microsoft never used the word tablet in its whole Windows 8 Keynote at BUILD yesterday. Windows 8 based devices are no compromise PC’s that run on variety of form factors. If he is going to compare iPad with Windows 8, I consider it as his madness.

He made some comments on hardware,

But the OS reportedly isn’t coming out for at least a year. The demo tablet hardware from Samsung they’re showing it on (and giving to Build attendees) is a Core i5 Intel-based PC replete with a fan.

Microsoft clearly said its a developer preview PC and not a consumer device. They designed it specifically for Windows developers so that they can use for development. If they are running full blown Core i5 Intel-based chip, of course they need a fan. But that doesn’t affect your device experience much. What do you get in reply to having a fan and a Corei5 ship?

1) Full blown Windows PC running millions of apps.

2) Windows Development Environment that includes Visual Studio, Expression blend, etc,

3) Multimonitor support.

4) Stylus based input and much more.

Can iPad do any of the above?? I can debug my Windows 8 app and test my app without any other device. Can iPad do it?

Windows 8 devices which are ARM based similar in functionality to iPad are coming next year. On ARM based PC’s he commented,

How will Windows 8 run on such hardware? When will they actually ship? How many as-yet-unannounced iPad 3s will Apple have sold by the time the first Windows 8 tablet hits stores? (Not to mention the many tens of millions of iPad 2s Apple will sell in just the next quarter alone.)

Microsoft repeatedly said Windows 8 experience will be same across all the device architectures. Why is he mentioning the iPad sales numbers now? How is it related to Windows 8 experience? Anyway, even if Apple sells 100 million iPad’s before Microsoft starts selling Windows 8 next year, Microsoft will catch up to that number in one single quarter for sure.

Again he compared Apple’s approach on unveiling a product and Microsoft’s approach. He just said some crap and concluded that he doesn’t know which approach is superior.

My reply to him,

Microsoft has thousands of partners who build stuff from accessories, apps to Windows 8 hardware. They have the largest partner ecosystem in the world. When you have such high stakes involved, you need to share information about your product well in advance whereas in Apple’s case they do both their hardware and software. Apple can share the information to public whenever they needed. There is no point in comparing both these approaches.

Then the final three paragraphs is the reason why I decided to post on his views, here is the final paragraph from his blog,

First he says predicting success a year in advance against a “technically outstanding and phenomenally popular product like the iPad.”. I disagree completely, What makes iPad technically outstanding ?? Seriously nothing. iPad is phenomenally popular ?? I bet not more than 200 million users have seen iPad in real. C’mon, If selling some 30 million devices in a year  is phenomenally popular, then what about Windows based PC’s which are selling hundreds of millions  each year? If Paul should not/cannot predict that Windows 8 out selling iPads next year, how can Gruber predict iPad will sells millions of them next year? What if Samsung stops iPad sales for patent case? LOL..

Again the last three lines of him,

To me, what these Windows writers are doing is like a baseball writer who today has started writing about what might happen in next season’s playoffs, because the team he follows is doing so poorly this season. We’ve got “is good today” against “might be good in a year”. The actually good versus the potentially good.

Everybody knows that Apple fan boys and followers are more biased than any other fan boys and followers. Predicting a nice working product to work well in market is much better than acting like dumbs when watching Steve Job’s presentations. One such incident comes to my mind, in the recent Apple’s presentation on iCloud Steve Jobs just said Calender events sync coming to iOS via iCloud. You add an entry in a device, it will appear in all other devices. The crowd went to applaud this feature and lots of ooh..aahh moments. Even in twitter, Michael Gartenberg an Industry analyst at Gartner, Technology columnist, Speaker and Blogger also an Apple fan just said calender sync is something like revolutionary. C’mon, haven’t you all used calender syncing before that works across devices?? I’ve been using it for years. This is not the only case, there are lots of others. They used to follow whatever Apple’s marketing team tells/preaches them, Calling almost everything as magical, revolutionary.. Apple bloggers should come out of their reality distortion field and then make some comments.

Oh wait, Why am I talking about a minority community when I have more than billion users in my community. Lets Enjoy Windows across devices.

 

About Author

Pradeep, a Computer Science & Engineering graduate.

  • Fatherbrg

    Amen to “Let’s enjoy Windows across devices.”  I can’t even imagine a world without Microsoft.  I just wish I was a developer!

  • Fatherbrg

    Amen to “Let’s enjoy Windows across devices.”  I can’t even imagine a world without Microsoft.  I just wish I was a developer!

    • Devboy

      Learn! It’s not all that hard to start out.

  • Dong-heon Shin

    John Gruber disappointed me. Even though he’s long time Apple evangelist, he have been usually well-balanced writer. if this is how fandom works to such a good people, well, it’s very shame.

  • Dong-heon Shin

    John Gruber disappointed me. Even though he’s long time Apple evangelist, he have been usually well-balanced writer. if this is how fandom works to such a good people, well, it’s very shame.

  • Shawn

    I agree Apple Fan boys make me sick! If Steve jobs chopped off his dick grind it up and sold it on ebay it would sell in seconds!

  • David Salazar Paris

    I own a Dell Win7 laptop, a Samsung Focus WP7… Soon a tablet/slate ( call it as you wish) and hopefully too an XBox… That’s a real ecosystem… I can work, play or simply fool around in any kind of device having the same experience across them. Apple fan boys can’t say that… even worse for Linux geeks with their Crapdroid (A.K.A. Android), they barely have some sort of an ecosystem, even Samsung is desperately trying to join the show with their own real ecosystem… And yup, I’ve been “in the cloud” for almost a decade with Microsoft. Even my boss, an Apple fanboy, with MacBookPro, iPad2 and iPhone4, gets angry cause my laptop and smartphone outruns his… soon, as I said, a tablet/slate will be joining the competition too… prooving how good is being in the winning team… XD

    • Anonymous

      that’s why it’s called Windows …. it’s a WINdows ;)

  • djcrumbley

    Truth has been written. Windows users rise up!

  • http://twitter.com/rruffman07 Juan Rodriguez

    I personally think the Apple Fan Boys are very nervious as to what win 8 tablets will make the ipad 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 look like (A TOY).. good luck apple.

  • http://www.twitter.com/wixostrix WixosTrix

    I’ve been reading a few of Gruber’s Microsoft focused articles and they are all just ridiculous.  I have a friend who agrees with almost everything he says, and it’s impossible to have a productive conversation with him when Microsoft and Apple are the topic.  I don’t care he likes Apple stuff but he is very closed-minded to anything else.

  • http://www.twitter.com/wixostrix WixosTrix

    I’ve been reading a few of Gruber’s Microsoft focused articles and they are all just ridiculous.  I have a friend who agrees with almost everything he says, and it’s impossible to have a productive conversation with him when Microsoft and Apple are the topic.  I don’t care he likes Apple stuff but he is very closed-minded to anything else.

  • http://www.twitter.com/wixostrix WixosTrix

    I’ve been reading a few of Gruber’s Microsoft focused articles and they are all just ridiculous.  I have a friend who agrees with almost everything he says, and it’s impossible to have a productive conversation with him when Microsoft and Apple are the topic.  I don’t care he likes Apple stuff but he is very closed-minded to anything else.

  • http://www.twitter.com/wixostrix WixosTrix

    I’ve been reading a few of Gruber’s Microsoft focused articles and they are all just ridiculous.  I have a friend who agrees with almost everything he says, and it’s impossible to have a productive conversation with him when Microsoft and Apple are the topic.  I don’t care he likes Apple stuff but he is very closed-minded to anything else.

  • http://www.twitter.com/wixostrix WixosTrix

    I’ve been reading a few of Gruber’s Microsoft focused articles and they are all just ridiculous.  I have a friend who agrees with almost everything he says, and it’s impossible to have a productive conversation with him when Microsoft and Apple are the topic.  I don’t care he likes Apple stuff but he is very closed-minded to anything else.

  • wb

    John Gruber! This guy is sick. If you remember what he had written WP7 at release last year. You what a disgusting Dbag he is in the tech space.

    At some point of time, I will send him a lot of emails.

  • guest

    this guy pradeep should be banned from writing of all kinds

  • guest

    this guy pradeep should be banned from writing of all kinds

  • anish

    i have no love for Apple and i hate that they churn out devices meant to be replaced every year only for their own good..but iOS is the most successful mobile operating system today…quite a few companies tried to do that before them and failed…so give credit where credit is due…

    • Guest

      Actually, I would argue that Windows is the most popular mobile operating system today.  It powers a lot more laptops than all the Apple OS’s combined for all devices…

  • Anonymous

    ipad2 is the smallest ipad ever. 

    ipad 1: 9.56 x 7.47 x 0.5 inches
    ipad 2: 9.5 x 7.31 x 0.34 inches

    the crowd goes wild, for a few cm.

    ipad2 is the lightest ipad ever.

    ipad 1: 1.5-1.6 pounds
    ipad 2: 1.33-1.35 pounds

    the crowd goes wild, for less than .03 oz.

    Apple fanboys are idiots.

    Windows 8 will whip it’s ass with the ipad, just like xbox360 is kicking PS3 and Nintendo’s ass in the console war.

    • nam

      Err I think Apple fanboys are idiots too, but .3 lbs is not .03 oz.

  • shanil

    they were selling an iPad every 3 seconds ! that ain’t popular enough for you ?? that device is the one of the reasons for a seismic shift in the computing industry ( consumer electronics )….evolution of new form factors…i love Windows 8 and hope it succeeds but there are real problems MS faces before it can churn out a worthy competitor in mobile space…it is ironic that you are accusing others of being fanboys when your own post has “MS fanboy” written all over it pradeep…try some objectivity in your writing and take some english lessons.

    • Anonymous

      I think its fair for Pradeep to defend his platform of choice hint Microsoft News when it is being unfairly attacked. And after reading your post do you think its wise to be attacking anyone’s else’s English.

      • shanil

        he is writing for a website and needs to improve his diction.that is just a fact i stated and not an attack since the very fact that i read the article means that i consider it worthy of my time…i only took issue with the tone of the article and his “defense” seemed as what you perceive as Gruber’s “attack”, if not more.  

      • shanil

        as biased as Gruber’s “attack”

      • shanil

        as biased as Gruber’s “attack”

  • Anonymous

    OMG You made every valid point. Nice read!!!

  • Anonymous

    My iPad 2 is boring I can’t wait for W8 and A Nokia phone then life is complete.

  • HocusFocus

    I’m a WP7 user who’s hugely excited by Windows 8. But of the two articles, this one seems *way* more fanboy that Gruber’s. Gruber is responding to a stupid and provocative tweet from Thurrott that was specific to tablets, and the threat that Windows 8 poses the iPad. While Gruber gets a little carried away, he also makes some valid points. Pradeep’s on the other hand, is a you’re-with-us-or-against-us defensive piece of rubbish which does huge harm to his credibility, IMHO.

    Go Microsoft!

    • shanil

      totally agree !

  • seu madruga

    é um chupador de caralho sem vergonha. se ele pudesse dava o cú pro jobs e ainda esfregava a porra na cara.

  • seu madruga

    é um chupador de caralho sem vergonha. se ele pudesse dava o cú pro jobs e ainda esfregava a porra na cara.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Warren-Cush/1425676469 Warren Cush

    what some people dont understand is that MS is making one system to controll all devices. also what people seem to forget that ipad is a mobile OS and cant run on a mac where as Win8 will run on any device wether it be a PC, laptop, tablet, netbook, slate and a phone. when apple can provide that type of ecosystem then that is when people should compare the two. ipad can run full program where win8 will on any device, there will be only one version for all its devices not ios and then lion.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll be the first to buy a Windows 8 Tab … can’t wait to run ALL my FULL apps on the go! .. in your face apple!

  • Anonymous

    don’t worry guys… tons of apple fans will buy a windows 8 Tab when they see us running Photoshop full version, or Cubase full version, or Illustrator full version etc … LOL … can’t wait to see the face of the applers that day LOL
    just a litte of applers wil stay with their ipad and its limited apps!

  • Anonymous

    90% of apple fans don’t know how to ‘right click’ on a mac… that says it all! LOL

  • Realist

    This post has so much things wrong, I don’t know where to start.

    First, install windows 8 and try it: apart from a different start menu, where is the wow factor?

    You think that a fan “doesn’t affect your device experience much”??

    I’m not even going to bother writing any longer…