Round 2 of Google Nexus 10 vs Microsoft Surface debunks high PPI myths

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There is a belief that a higher PPI display is always better, but in the above video review of the screens of the Google Nexus vs the Microsoft Surface Armando shows that increasing the PPI without improving the resolution of the assets simply results in a fuzzy, pixelated mess in many occasions.

See part 1 of his review here, and keep an eye on his channel for the next episode.

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  • ab

    first …. cant believe it … ;-D

  • ab

    i would say surface for round 2

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Njoi-Fontes/590077451 Njoi Fontes

    He Nails it again, sweet comparison. I think it´s pretty clear that the only thing the nexus will beat the surfasse is on apps.

    • Bugbog

      You mean just no. of apps? ’cause as shown apps don’t actually display or run better on the Nexus 10 than on the Surface! :)

    • Eric Tipple

      Well you were slightly off as far as this statement goes. The main thing the Nexus will beat the Surface RT in is *SALES*. I don’t care how great a device you think the
      surface is bottom line is, it is not selling. The Nexus 10 is sold out
      everywhere and is selling for $100 over retail on eBay. There is a massive
      demand for the Nexus 10 with little to no advertising. If I see another Surface
      RT commercial I am going to vomit, with that kind of marketing these things
      should be flying off the shelves. Unless of course it is an overpriced piece of
      junk….. and I would not say that without spending some time with one, I
      purchased the surface RT, played with it for 2 weeks and returned it because
      there was no cisco VPN app available or in development so I couldn’t not use it
      for work which was the main reason I purchased it. Cisco VPN support is offered
      on both IOS and Android. Why build a tablet for productivity and not have Cisco
      VPN support out of the gate. Save your money for the Surface pro, Windows 8 RT
      will be a flash in the pan. Or you could do what I did and get the Nexus 10. (Very
      happy as well might I add)

  • disqustingtard

    Surface Pro is a better resolution. More crisp than the Surface RT without the extra processing overhead of the ridiculous nexus tablet. Mobile devices need to have sensible resolutions otherwise the battery and performance will both be terrible. PPI should be high (Surface Pro, Sony Duo 11, etc.) but not ridiculous (processing pixels you won’t notice is a waste of resource).

  • GG002

    So, once again, Android is going specs for no apparent reason. Well, except for the reason of just having it to boast with. No realistic reason. Oh, and how I love low reflectivity of my Surface! The glare on Nexus 10 seems extremely horrible in the video; can’t see jack skit when Armando has it reflecting a TL light.

    • http://www.visiv.ca hunter2

      Isn’t better text rendering a real reason?

      • Bugbog

        Unless you’re just using it for ebook reading? it can’t be taken in isolation.

        • http://www.visiv.ca hunter2

          Image viewing can’t be taken in isolation either. The reviewer obviously chose an extremely image heavy site, but most of the sites I frequent have a much higher text concentration. My number 1 & 2 sites are ars technica and reddit, so even when browsing the web my content is extremely text heavy. Then there’s email, RSS readers, and magazines. All in all, even discounting ebooks, the vast majority of my time is spent staring at text.

          • GG002

            I’ll have to ask you about your eyesight then. Mine is 20/20, so holding the Surface at the distance where it can be considered ‘retina’ (23″ away) doesn’t make text on N10, Surface or newer iPads any different. Graphics, on the other hand, can be clearly seen at a great distance, and with it also pixelation. Even at half the distance, the screen is sharp, thanks to high contrast and cleartype. Have you tried the Surface RT?

          • http://www.visiv.ca hunter2

            Sorry, I don’t measure the distance at which I hold my tablet, I simply use it at the distance where it’s most comfortable. If I’m sitting on the couch it’s probably resting on my lap and far from my face. If I’m at the breakfast table my arms are on table and the tablet is pretty close.

            I have used the surface (in the MS store) and I don’t see how the screen’s sharpness helped it at all. Maybe if you were looking at light grey text on a dark grey background increased sharpness would be beneficial. The whole theory behind screen sharpness being able to fix the issue is that if you have 2 pixels in an area that a low contrast, higher ppi screen has 4 it doesn’t matter because the contrast between the pixels is low that they will look identical, form a stepped gradient and just end up appearing like 2 pixels anyway. The problem with this theory is that your contrast levels have to be ridiculously bad to pull of this effect with black text on a white background. In practice, the iPad’s contrast levels aren’t anywhere near this level (I don’t even think they are worse at all).

          • Bugbog

            No idea what you’re going on about mate!

          • http://www.visiv.ca hunter2

            I was responding to gg002. When a thread gets to deep the comments are no longer nested so you need to look at the arrow beside the username to see who the response is directed at.

          • Bugbog

            Yep. I usually go through the entire thread. And having read GG002’s comment I still had no clue as to what Your comment meant! (Or rather, first part yes. Second part, ???!)

          • http://www.visiv.ca hunter2

            I was talking about contrast and how in order to beat a higher ppi display with better contrast, the higher ppi display would need to have such bad contrast that it wouldn’t even be able to accurately display a 4 step gradient from #000 to $FFF

    • Bugbog

      My thoughts exactly. When I first ‘heard’ the N10 announcement, despite the fact that I wasn’t interested in acquiring it, I hoped that it would have a greater value proposition than just its “high” display specification. Alas, disappointingly, it seems that even this is of dubious value!

      Yes, I know commenting on this site (and owning the Surface RT) already shows my disposition (re: platform), and that I’m also highly tilted towards displaying ‘purchase justification’. However, it would seem, to me, that the greater focus by Microsoft on its hardware optimization, vis-à-vis the O.S., has paid off spectacularly!

      It would seem that, irrespective of what the greater blogosphere may be commenting, the Surface RT, with its “lower/poorer” resolution, may actually out-display the Nexus 10!

  • http://twitter.com/HIGHDEFJUNKIES HighDefJunkies

    Wow! I’m surprised at these two videos. Surface is so much better in these videos and kudos for MS for going wide screen. Never understood the square Tablets. Wide screen is the way to go because you have so much more information. I’m shocked how much better the surface is at colors and overall look of it.

  • José Villaró

    Shhhhh don’t tell this to everybody at Nokia and people who say the 920 screen is better than others just because it has higher PPI ;)

    • darthtigris

      Actually the Windows Phone 8X has the highest PPI. The 920 screen was being praised for other reasons.

      • José Villaró

        Yes I know, I’m just being sarcastic about it because I remember many many maaany people posting (even a famous image went around the net) about differences and advantages of the 920 vs iPhone 5 (please don’t get me wrong, I don’t like iShit and I’m drooling for a 920) and one of the “points” made was specifically that the screen on the 920 was better because it has a higher PPI (I know and anybody somewhat tech savvy knows that there are more variables than that to assess the quality of the screen).

    • Bugbog

      No. For Nokia’s L920, the higher PPI is just the icing on the cake!

      If it were lower, its display superiority would still be debated. Being higher just puts them over.

      • José Villaró

        Yes indeed, look at my other response

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000678662470 Vincent Haakmat

    This video confirmed to me what to buy this black Friday… A Microsoft Surface!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/hengxiang32401 Hill Chan

    I like Surface, because most of Andriod Pad Apps are ugly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dpartee912 David Partee

    I love how at 16:33 when hes showing off google voice that next to the microphone “porn” shows up haha. I guess he was curious to how his most used application of the device stood up to eachother

  • http://harajyuks.tumblr.com Stephen Rhoden

    I don’t know but it seems like you are contradicting yourself a bit. I noticed it when you were demo’ing Angry Birds… you say on the one hand its scaling properly because the ‘pause sign’ at the top left of the screen is so much smaller, but then it is scaling the image because the rocks are not all there in the lower left corner (both times ‘it’ = N10)..

    Another issue I have with your argument is that these flaws with the reproduction of images and text on these tablets are due to the programming of the app by the developers isn’t it? The display on the N10 is a market first and thus no devs have properly increased the display settings or programming to properly utilize these specs; possibly the case, correct? I wonder if once these apps are properly optimized for higher resolution which hardware you might prefer. In the same vein I wonder what would Angry Birds look like on your beautiful PC monitor? Not very good I imagine. Its not the fault of the display (hardware manufacturer. i.e. Google/Asus) if the application is not properly optimized is it?

  • G_David

    Right off the bat, I noticed this guy says “right off the bat” a lot.

  • G_David

    Right off the bat, I noticed this guy says “right off the bat” a lot.