Video shows Microsoft Store vs Apple Store Black Friday traffic

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MacWeekend posted this video which was meant to reflect the traffic of Microsoft Stores vs Apples Stores on Black Friday.

They labelled the Microsoft shopped are merely shopping, while the Apple buyers were engaged in Worship.

If is of note however that in terms of actual traffic rather than simply crowding (the Apple Store is much smaller than the more expansive Microsoft Store) 3 adults entered the Apple store while 2 entered the Microsoft store, so the discrepancy is not as great as it may appear from the video, and of course even now Microsoft is still working on establishing its stores as a destination, especially with the Microsoft Surface being exclusive to their stores.

Do our readers think the Microsoft Stores will ever become destinations like the Apple Store? Let us know below.

Via CNN.com

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  • hysonmb

    Until the media stops being Apple fans, the general public won’t turn the corner.

    Look at the smartphone buying guide from The Verge. They claim that the iPhone is the best smartphone to buy on the carriers that have it, but, the Lumia 920 beats every one of the choices on every carrier when it comes to the user score: http://vrge.co/KBEyvM.
    Windows phones also trounce the competition in user ratings on other sites like Amazon but still, the press that is in touch with more than just the tech crowd constantly throws Apple in their faces so it’s stuck in their heads.

    • Meekermoloko

      I removed Verge from my bookmarks. I will miss Tom Warren’s articles, however.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/San-Ien-Jao/717169541 San Ien Jao

        My too not visiting that hole anymore!

      • Maxari

        Tom Warren should return to WinRumors! It was a million times better than the Verge. Certainly wouldn’t mind paying a premium to WinRumors than sucking up to highly biased unprofessional articles in the Verge.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1313088813 Manolopoulos Apostolos

        Verge support Apple. Apple boy. :)

    • Windows 8

      You are absolutely right with your observations, I fail to understand why Apple is so favored by all kinds of media even when the reality is something else, either they give money to these publications or are just doing what their half minded editors are telling them to do.
      I have given up The Verge as a readable site, I don’t visit it anymore.

      • Henry

        You know, they’ve bought a lot of Apple stocks :P

        • Windows 8

          LOLz.. yes that may be the case..
          But with the stock market discounting Apple, I would like to think they regain their senses :D

      • http://twitter.com/Makavelli_Jrw Mr.InTernaTionaL

        I have as well just like I don’t really visit Chris Pirillo anymore after his Awefully biased towards the Surface.

    • Schooner1984

      iVerge lost credibility with its review of the L920 IMO. Haven’t been back since. Don’t expect that I will be back.

    • donzebe

      You right, the press has make the average consumer to think the iphone or ipad is synonymous to smartphone or tablet. Also I have witness so many occasions were the TV reporter is talking about hot gifts for the holidays; “iphone or smartphones like galaxy s3″

  • wakeUp

    lol… apple sales rep are occupying the whole space.

  • http://twitter.com/EJ1024 BRUU™

    lol

  • opteron opteron

    The media has turned Apple into another religion and their iSheep followers tend to believe in any move that Apple makes even when it defies common sense. Example in point: All high end smartphones nowadays support NFC, Wireless charging and Augmented Reality except iPhones but the isheep still believe that they have the best smartphone experience because the media and Apple tell them so. That’s weird. Wake up!!!

    • argenys

      Since when did iOS devices lose all their augmented reality apps? I concur with you other statements BTW.

  • koenshaku

    Interesting how the camera for the MS store seemed to be out of the frame. I was actually interested in seems what kind of attire the shoppers wore hehe.

  • Bugbog

    Not quite what it seems from the static image: I thought initially that the MS store was empty! But far from it, since the Apple store is smaller it’s tables are more bunched together, and there is less room to space the foot flow. They are just about equal in numbers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/San-Ien-Jao/717169541 San Ien Jao

    I hope not! Worshipping gone or the other is still stupid.

  • Ian Too

    I take the tone of these iFollowers as a measure of Microsoft’s success. I mean when an Apple spokesman writes off the Surface as compromised, you know they hurt and have no real answer.

    These people have a lot of money invested in their iDevices and some are tied in for the next two years. Seeing more desirable devices undermines their confidence in their decision, they are bound to be a little sore.

    So be as gracious as they were smug and try to contain your glee…

    …if you can.

  • TroyGates

    Notice no one walking out of either had purchased anything.

  • http://twitter.com/dsghi Derek Gabriel

    That’s one of the things that turns me off to Apple’s stores, when I go in to to buy something, l have to fight the crowds of kids playing angry birds. Just because the store is full means nothing. How many of those people are there to just play with the equipment they can’t afford vs actually taking boxes of merchandise home?

  • grs_dev

    I think in the midst of all this anti Microsoft current, one has to ask, a) What has Microsoft done to those who hate it with a passion? and b) What is Microsoft doing to repair its image with the general public?

    I mean getting the quality and timing right are par for the course. The marketing and PR machines need to kick into high gear. I get the GMail Man skits. But they’re not enough to actually make a difference with the general public.

    Following into Apple’s path and opening a Microsoft Store doesn’t help change the perception of the Redmond company being more of a follower and less of a leader. Those who are in the know, get that Microsoft is a “leader” in the technology space. When it comes to marketing and sex appeal, the softies leave a lot to be desired…

    • Bugbog

      I think the marketing blitz is working (to some degree), as, recently, after seeing the “Everything at Once” Windows 8 advert, I tracked down the artist (and video) to show my sister. Which, to my surprise, she was able to sing along with. When I asked whether she had seen the video before, she responded “only the dancing part, the bloody advert is played during every commercial break!”

      I laughed at that. Seems the ‘blitz’ is doing its work! :)

  • SOULdOUT

    We went down to San Jose for the holiday and the MS Store there was just as busy in the mall that we were in iFruit store.

  • The__Truth__Hurts

    1) Some Apple “cult” site posted it
    2) What times were these taken?
    3) What stores were these taken?

    The list goes on.

    I have been both in a Microsoft Store and Apple store. Two completely different atmospheres.

    In the Apple store: Everybody is going “gaga” over the newest and latest technology.

    In the Microsoft store: Some are shopping, some are browsing. They are checking out stuff, asking a few questions, etc…

    I don’t know, but it seems that everybody in the Apple store(s) are trying to be cool. In the Microsoft store, people are there for one thing. Buy or check out devices. That is from my personal observations.

    Two different Worlds. That is what it is. The Apple users are more interested in getting the latest technology to impress their friends (ironically isn’t the latest technology), while the Microsoft users are more interested in getting the best device out there.

    And I observe that over and over outside of the store. The Apple users seem more interested in fitting in X or Y group while the Microsoft users seem to care more of themselves.

    And the ironic thing is, those who love technology and all types of technology (and own apple devices as well as Windows, Android, etc….) are “dismissed” by the Apple users. I have seen on countless of occasions, someone pull out their ipad, the Apple users gets excited, and when they pull out their Windows laptop and Android phone, they have a disgusted look on their face.

    Basically, one is in “lala” world, while the other is in Reality.

    • rattyuk

      Awesome, Truth. “It has to be a conspiracy” (it also doesn’t align with the impression you gave yesterday that Microsoft would run out of Surfaces if they had the stores)

      Your impression of the stores is also wrong.

      Apple stores are more like the old style Apple expo where people can actually try out new stuff and see how it works. The Microsoft stores are basically Best Buy but with a few “approved” machines with the crapware removed. Oh and I think that they have now changed the colors of the t-shirts.

      “I don’t know, but it seems that everybody in the Apple store(s) are trying to be cool.”
      That’s your opinion. Most are there to buy stuff, that’s why they have the highest sales per square foot. That doesn’t come from having a place to “be cool” (See Starbucks for “being cool”)

      “The Apple users are more interested in getting the latest technology to impress their friends (ironically isn’t the latest technology), while the Microsoft users are more interested in getting the best device out there.”
      Oh, the irony.

      “And I observe that over and over outside of the store. The Apple users seem more interested in fitting in X or Y group while the Microsoft users seem to care more of themselves.”

      Which part of the States do you live in? Which of these stores have you actually been in?

      “Basically, one is in “lala” world, while the other is in Reality.”
      Talking of reality, from your posting times and your opinions it’s more like you are based in the far east, like Korea.

      • The__Truth__Hurts

        “Apple stores are more like the old style Apple expo where people can actually try out new stuff and see how it works.”

        Oh, you mean pack the stores for hours to play angry birds? Or pack the store for hours to goof around on Photo Booth? Since that is about what is going on in there.

        “The Microsoft stores are basically Best Buy but with a few “approved” machines with the crapware removed. Oh and I think that they have now changed the colors of the t-shirts.”

        Completely wrong. They are a specialized store. Maybe 1/10th to 1/20th the size of a best buy, if not even smaller. Microsoft sells their software, accessories, hardware (xBox, Surface, ec..) through these stores, Windows Phones, Windows Phone accessories, Windows computers and more. Also, they have classes available there and faster/better computer repair if something goes wrong. Also, they do offer other services and more. Far more specialized from best buy, with better “educated” people, and the list goes on.

        “The Apple users are more interested in getting the latest technology to impress their friends (ironically isn’t the latest technology), while the Microsoft users are more interested in getting the best device out there.”
        Oh, the irony.

        Have you ever notice and observe how wild they go when they pull out there new Device and show it to their Apple friends? They go “gaga” over having LTE, having a Front Facing camera, even going “gaga” over having a Panorama feature (which by the way, my 5 year old dumbphone has). Or go on about their “killer” Apple maps.

        Or have you ever noticed when they try to show off you this new “killer” feature on their iPhone (for example), they suddenly act like it is no big deal, when you tell them that your non-iPhone had that for ages? Or when you use Google Now (or something similar) they turn up their nose in disgust and pull out their iPhone and start to use Siri (to try to one up you), or tell you that they will use their Apple maps and not your Google maps?

        The must be really insecure about their devices. Your android users aren’t like that, and defiantly not your Windows users. But, we don’t need to flaunt our devices around to “impress” people are fit in particular groups and such.

        “Which part of the States do you live in? Which of these stores have you actually been in?”
        I have been on the east coast, west cost, up north, down south, middle of the states. Same type of attitude/thing going on.

        • rattyuk

          The disconnect between what you think and reality is somewhat skewed.

          “Oh, you mean pack the stores for hours to play angry birds? Or pack the store for hours to goof around on Photo Booth? Since that is about what is going on in there.”
          If that were true then Apple wouldn’t be getting the sales now, would they? But Apple is now earning something close to 6.5k per square foot which is the largest earnings of any retail outlet. So yes the place “must be filled with people playing Angry Birds” that must be the reason.

          “Microsoft sells their software, accessories, hardware (xBox, Surface, ec..) through these stores, Windows Phones, Windows Phone accessories, Windows computers and more.”
          Just like Best Buy. Save they are ripping off what Apple started 10 years ago with the Apple store. Until the appearance of the Surface and WP8 they had little to talk about.

          “Also, they have classes available there and faster/better computer repair if something goes wrong”
          And no one had done that before? Apple again have had “classes” in their stores for over 10 years.

          “Have you ever notice and observe how wild they go when they pull out there new Device and show it to their Apple friends?”
          Nope because that kind of nonsense is only claimed by people disconnected from reality. Oh and Samsung show offs in their anti iPhone ads.

          “Or have you ever noticed when they try to show off you this new “killer” feature on their iPhone (for example), they suddenly act like it is no big deal, when you tell them that your non-iPhone had that for ages?”
          Again no because most people are doing stuff and not “showing off” their hardware. Utter boring nonsense.

          “The must be really insecure about their devices.”
          The crux of your straw man argument. As the vast majority of users don’t do this, then they aren’t insecure about their devices. You should get out more and not wallow in “everyone else is doing better” coz it just ain’t right.

          “I have been on the east coast, west cost, up north, down south, middle of the states. Same type of attitude/thing going on.”
          I too have been in various places while on holiday. That isn’t what I asked. Do you live in the US?

          • The__Truth__Hurts

            THE MEDIA is a non-stop advertisement machine for Apple. Apple-related articles greatly outnumber the non-Apple related articles combined! We are talking close to every 1 non-Apple related article, there is easily 3 to 4 Apple related articles.

            That is why Apple is successful. Because the media is advertising Apple products non stopped. Advertisement amounts that are worth billions upon billions of dollars. Everybody that is not apple, doesn’t get the luxury.

            Yes, Apple makes great products. Better than a lot of products out there. But there are countless of other products that are vastly superior than what Apple makes. They don’t even come remotely close to having the publicity that a minor Apple product has.

            How much affect does this have on the public? The media does not lie, but how they push Apple products, they make it appear that Apple is this great, innovative company that everybody is copying! That is not the case! Basically the media toss these non-apple products to the side a “meh”, “who cares”, “not media worthy”, etc… and when Apple comes to the plate, they are drooling over that Apple product and make such a big deal about it. Meaning that the average Joe or Sue thinks that Apple was the one who invented this new market, etc.. and buy Apple because they have absolutely no idea that other products exist. Why? The media pushing Apple products.

            To put it simply, Apple is the largest copy-cat out there. It isn’t Samsung, HP, Google, Microsoft, you name it. It is Apple. But the media blows up Apple like they are a God, and make it appear that Apple is the “only true innovator” out there and that everybody rips off them. But what is not mention are the countless of products that the other companies had BEFORE Apple! But since the average Joe or Sue has no idea they exist (because the media basically claimed they were no big deal), they think apple is the innovator and everybody is copying Apple.

            Without the Media, Apple would be NOTHING!

            Microsoft, Google, HP, Samsung, and countless of other OEMs (literally all of them) have to struggle against the media huge bias of Apple. Because it is a massive uphill battle for them! They can come out with the most revolutionary product that blows everything else away, but the media will blow it away like it is “no big deal”, but when an Apple product gets a “minor addition”, the Media makes it a big deal. That is the struggle these other companies have. Countless of these other companies make (vastly) far superior products that leave everything that Apple makes in the dust. But the Average Joe and Sue do not know that because guess who the media is talking about 90% of the time? You guessed it! Apple!

            Again, without the Media, Apple will be nothing.

            And why is the Media so Apple-heavy? Because guess who makes up majority of the Media? Apple users! People that are (heavy) Apple users!

            Now does it finally make sense?

          • The__Truth__Hurts

            THE MEDIA is a non-stop advertisement machine for Apple. Apple-related articles greatly outnumber the non-Apple related articles combined! We are talking close to every 1 non-Apple related article, there is easily 3 to 4 Apple related articles.

            That is why Apple is successful. Because the media is advertising Apple products non stopped. Advertisement amounts that are worth billions upon billions of dollars. Everybody that is not apple, doesn’t get the luxury.

            Yes, Apple makes great products. Better than a lot of products out there. But there are countless of other products that are vastly superior than what Apple makes. They don’t even come remotely close to having the publicity that a minor Apple product has.

            How much affect does this have on the public? The media does not lie, but how they push Apple products, they make it appear that Apple is this great, innovative company that everybody is copying! That is not the case! Basically the media toss these non-apple products to the side a “meh”, “who cares”, “not media worthy”, etc… and when Apple comes to the plate, they are drooling over that Apple product and make such a big deal about it. Meaning that the average Joe or Sue thinks that Apple was the one who invented this new market, etc.. and buy Apple because they have absolutely no idea that other products exist. Why? The media pushing Apple products.

            To put it simply, Apple is the largest copy-cat out there. It isn’t Samsung, HP, Google, Microsoft, you name it. It is Apple. But the media blows up Apple like they are a God, and make it appear that Apple is the “only true innovator” out there and that everybody rips off them. But what is not mention are the countless of products that the other companies had BEFORE Apple! But since the average Joe or Sue has no idea they exist (because the media basically claimed they were no big deal), they think apple is the innovator and everybody is copying Apple.

            Without the Media, Apple would be NOTHING!

            Microsoft, Google, HP, Samsung, and countless of other OEMs (literally all of them) have to struggle against the media huge bias of Apple. Because it is a massive uphill battle for them! They can come out with the most revolutionary product that blows everything else away, but the media will blow it away like it is “no big deal”, but when an Apple product gets a “minor addition”, the Media makes it a big deal. That is the struggle these other companies have. Countless of these other companies make (vastly) far superior products that leave everything that Apple makes in the dust. But the Average Joe and Sue do not know that because guess who the media is talking about 90% of the time? You guessed it! Apple!

            Again, without the Media, Apple will be nothing.

            And why is the Media so Apple-heavy? Because guess who makes up majority of the Media? Apple users! People that are (heavy) Apple users!

            Now does it finally make sense?

          • The__Truth__Hurts

            THE MEDIA is a non-stop advertisement machine for Apple. Apple-related articles greatly outnumber the non-Apple related articles combined! We are talking close to every 1 non-Apple related article, there is easily 3 to 4 Apple related articles.

            That is why Apple is successful. Because the media is advertising Apple products non stopped. Advertisement amounts that are worth billions upon billions of dollars. Everybody that is not apple, doesn’t get the luxury.

            Yes, Apple makes great products. Better than a lot of products out there. But there are countless of other products that are vastly superior than what Apple makes. They don’t even come remotely close to having the publicity that a minor Apple product has.

            How much affect does this have on the public? The media does not lie, but how they push Apple products, they make it appear that Apple is this great, innovative company that everybody is copying! That is not the case! Basically the media toss these non-apple products to the side a “meh”, “who cares”, “not media worthy”, etc… and when Apple comes to the plate, they are drooling over that Apple product and make such a big deal about it. Meaning that the average Joe or Sue thinks that Apple was the one who invented this new market, etc.. and buy Apple because they have absolutely no idea that other products exist. Why? The media pushing Apple products.

            To put it simply, Apple is the largest copy-cat out there. It isn’t Samsung, HP, Google, Microsoft, you name it. It is Apple. But the media blows up Apple like they are a God, and make it appear that Apple is the “only true innovator” out there and that everybody rips off them. But what is not mention are the countless of products that the other companies had BEFORE Apple! But since the average Joe or Sue has no idea they exist (because the media basically claimed they were no big deal), they think apple is the innovator and everybody is copying Apple.

            Without the Media, Apple would be NOTHING!

            Microsoft, Google, HP, Samsung, and countless of other OEMs (literally all of them) have to struggle against the media huge bias of Apple. Because it is a massive uphill battle for them! They can come out with the most revolutionary product that blows everything else away, but the media will blow it away like it is “no big deal”, but when an Apple product gets a “minor addition”, the Media makes it a big deal. That is the struggle these other companies have. Countless of these other companies make (vastly) far superior products that leave everything that Apple makes in the dust. But the Average Joe and Sue do not know that because guess who the media is talking about 90% of the time? You guessed it! Apple!

            Again, without the Media, Apple will be nothing.

            And why is the Media so Apple-heavy? Because guess who makes up majority of the Media? Apple users! People that are (heavy) Apple users!

            Now does it finally make sense?

          • rattyuk

            It’s a conspiracy! We’d have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for that damned Apple! Let’s all wear tin hats!

            “Apple-related articles greatly outnumber the non-Apple related articles combined!”
            Shame that Apple’s market cap is also equal to Microsoft and Google combined. Perhaps the “media” are following what is happening with the market leader.

            I fear that you are just trying to promote a list of excuses as to why Apple are doing well. It isn’t anything to do with the products or the ecosystem but it has to do with media bias only.

            The irony is of course that outside the US the media is heavily biased against Apple (the UK for example) and yet their products still sale in record-breakig numbers.

            “Without the Media, Apple would be NOTHING!”

            Simply untrue. They would still make products that people want to buy and own. Like your nonsense about the Apple stores being “places where kids hang out to play angry birds” – it looks great in a forum post but the sales figures Apple is registering in their stores proves it to be the empty fallacy that it is.

            Your paranoia is showing.

          • The__Truth__Hurts

            It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out:

            Don’t have the exposure of your product, it isn’t going to (necessarily) sell.

            People know that your product exists? They are more likely to buy it.

            If they are constantly exposed to this product in an ad/media/whatever? They are far more likely to buy it.

            Again, it doesn’t take a genius to figure that all out.

            Don’t have the “power” to expose yourself? Good luck getting your product out and having people buying it in massive.

            Also you need to sell it as well. Something they NEED to buy as well. Because you can have the best product and if you can’t tell why you NEED it, it will flop.

            That is Apple success. The Media “shoving” it down our throats and going on about how amazing those things are. They hit 1) exposing it to us and 2) giving us “reasons” why we need it.

            Never happens like that with about any other product.

          • The__Truth__Hurts

            It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out:

            Don’t have the exposure of your product, it isn’t going to (necessarily) sell.

            People know that your product exists? They are more likely to buy it.

            If they are constantly exposed to this product in an ad/media/whatever? They are far more likely to buy it.

            Again, it doesn’t take a genius to figure that all out.

            Don’t have the “power” to expose yourself? Good luck getting your product out and having people buying it in massive.

            Also you need to sell it as well. Something they NEED to buy as well. Because you can have the best product and if you can’t tell why you NEED it, it will flop.

            That is Apple success. The Media “shoving” it down our throats and going on about how amazing those things are. They hit 1) exposing it to us and 2) giving us “reasons” why we need it.

            Never happens like that with about any other product.

          • rattyuk

            Hang on a sec. Last week you were arguing that Apple had “lost the tablet war” based on IDC’s shipping figures. That must have given a huge boost to the non-iPad tablet market. But you have to have a product to support the publicity. You can lead the customer to your product but you can’t make them buy it or, even if they buy it, keep it if it doesn’t do what it says it does.

            “That is Apple success.”
            That is yet another straw man argument. If Apple didn’t have the product then they wouldn’t have the market. People would have seen through them and they haven’t, because they brought a solid product to market.

            “Never happens like that with about any other product.”

            Because, unfortunately, none of the other products deliver on the promise.

          • The__Truth__Hurts

            Again. Putting words in my mouth.

            Apple is “losing” the tablet war because people are “waking up” and other companies ramping up their advertising. People are beginning to realize that other tablets exist and that there are better tablets than the iPad out there. (better tablets, more selection, more advertising, people waking up)

            Yes, Apple may bring a solid device to the market. But it’s the media’s obsession of Apple that makes “Apple take over the market”. Not because the device is better/more solid than the other devices, but because the media is “suddenly interested and then goes on and on about how amazing that device is, when beforehand they were going on about how “gimmicky” the other devices.

            “none of the other products deliver on the promise”?

            Again. The media. You have countless of devices where the media went on about how “gimmicky” it is/was. Apple would bring X device that stripped out more features, making these “gimmicky features” even “more gimmicky”, and then the media stands up and saw how “productive, helpful, great” those features are.

            But of course that all doesn’t help the “people want apple devices” mentality!

            I’m sorry to break it to you, but a huge majority of the population DOESN’T WANT apple devices!

            It has been found over and over people /want/ an Google device or an Microsoft device OVER an Apple product! (Studies and Studies have shown this). Yes, the average person would want a Google or Microsoft Device over an Apple device.

            That is no lie. That is no joke. That is 100%, completely, True.

            But, the media basically pushes Apple devices on everyone. To the point where most people have no idea what other products EXIST besides Apple products! And if they do know that other products exist, they have the idea/concept they are all trashy, because that is what the media talked about/showed.

            And that is what the other companies struggle with. getting their products out where people KNOW about them and KNOW that they aren’t some gimmicky device that the media claims it is to be.

            But of course that is not what the Apple fanbois want to here. That the average person wants a Google device over an Apple device, and even worse a /Microsoft/ Device over an Apple device!

          • rattyuk

            “Apple is “losing” the tablet war because people are “waking up” and other companies ramping up their advertising.”
            Again. Shipping is not sales. The only data that points to Apple “losing” is the IDC charts from last month that were clearly labeled “shipments”.

            “People are beginning to realize that other tablets exist and that there are better tablets than the iPad out there.”
            Until Google sorts out their absent tablet app issue then there is no better tablet.

            “I’m sorry to break it to you, but a huge majority of the population DOESN’T WANT apple devices!”

            While I agree that there is a selection of fans that really want to “own anything but Apple” I fear for you that this is smaller than you hope. Also it is clearly split between Android and Microsoft interested parties. Also actual sales belie your argument. Shipping, however is a different thing of course.

            “Yes, the average person would want a Google or Microsoft Device over an Apple device.” “That is no lie. That is no joke. That is 100%, completely, True.”
            Citation please. I think you live in a sheltered world where the idea of what an average person is is a tad skewed. Definitely in the forums and geek driven blogs that is most seriously the case. Unfortunately for your argument that is not the vast majority of the population. Or as you put it “the average person”.

            Your “conspiracy by marketing” theory is at worst a bit thin.

          • The__Truth__Hurts

            “Again. Shipping is not sales. The only data that points to Apple “losing” is the IDC charts from last month that were clearly labeled “shipments”.”

            1) Stores don’t buy devices to sit on their shelf or make it appear that android/iOS/windows/whatever is selling better than whatever. They buy where there is a demand for. So if Android tablets are selling, they buy more, etc…

            2) Sales/Shipments. They basically mean the same thing. If X or Y company “ships” Product B to a Store, that is essentially a sell for them. So yes, Company Y may say shipments and Company X may say sales, but the thing is: They mean the exact same thing.

            “Until Google sorts out their absent tablet app issue then there is no better tablet.”

            Interesting you didn’t mention Windows. (Why is that? Is that because that is the best tablet out there period?) To an extent, yes Google has a “tablet app issue”, but unlike iOS, the apps are designed to run on a variety of screen sizes, so you don’t necessarily /need/ a tablet specific app because “App X” is designed (and optimized) to run on both Tablets and phones. Anywhere from a 3 inch display to a 10.1 inch display.

            But, I guess you need to find all the ammunition to try to drag Microsoft/Google down to Apple’s level.

          • rattyuk

            “Stores don’t buy devices to sit on their shelf”
            I will assume that you have never worked in retail? Get to the end of the month / get to the end of a quarter and your suppliers call you up with offers (assuming you’re in good standing) remember the sales people want to get stuff out of their warehouses as it would be a possible sale.

            “So if Android tablets are selling, they buy more, etc…”
            A very big if.

            “Sales/Shipments. They basically mean the same thing.”
            Only if you live on planet truth. They are completely different. Shipment moves product out of the manufacturers warehouses into the retailers warehouses. The very fact that you think these are the same thing illustrates how little you know or understand.

            “Interesting you didn’t mention Windows. (Why is that? Is that because that is the best tablet out there period?”
            Nope because at the moment it is not a competitor. If it proves itself then maybe, just maybe it might be a competitor but as heads have already rolled at Microsoft what does that tell you?

            “so you don’t necessarily /need/ a tablet specific app because “App X” is designed (and optimized) to run on both Tablets and phones. Anywhere from a 3 inch display to a 10.1 inch display.”
            All well and good but it doesn’t work, and don’t say that I don’t know what I am talking about as I have a Nexus7 for precisely this reason. Flipboard on a 7 inch tablet should display way more information rather than simply scaling up the phone version. It is useless when compared to the iPad version.

            “But, I guess you need to find all the ammunition to try to drag Microsoft/Google down to Apple’s level.”
            I was trying to be polite as this is a Microsoft blog. But you called me on it. At the moment the Surface has made little or no inroads into the iPad market. It doesn’t matter.

          • rattyuk

            Hang on a sec. Last week you were arguing that Apple had “lost the tablet war” based on IDC’s shipping figures. That must have given a huge boost to the non-iPad tablet market. But you have to have a product to support the publicity. You can lead the customer to your product but you can’t make them buy it or, even if they buy it, keep it if it doesn’t do what it says it does.

            “That is Apple success.”
            That is yet another straw man argument. If Apple didn’t have the product then they wouldn’t have the market. People would have seen through them and they haven’t, because they brought a solid product to market.

            “Never happens like that with about any other product.”

            Because, unfortunately, none of the other products deliver on the promise.

          • rattyuk

            It’s a conspiracy! We’d have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for that damned Apple! Let’s all wear tin hats!

            “Apple-related articles greatly outnumber the non-Apple related articles combined!”
            Shame that Apple’s market cap is also equal to Microsoft and Google combined. Perhaps the “media” are following what is happening with the market leader.

            I fear that you are just trying to promote a list of excuses as to why Apple are doing well. It isn’t anything to do with the products or the ecosystem but it has to do with media bias only.

            The irony is of course that outside the US the media is heavily biased against Apple (the UK for example) and yet their products still sale in record-breakig numbers.

            “Without the Media, Apple would be NOTHING!”

            Simply untrue. They would still make products that people want to buy and own. Like your nonsense about the Apple stores being “places where kids hang out to play angry birds” – it looks great in a forum post but the sales figures Apple is registering in their stores proves it to be the empty fallacy that it is.

            Your paranoia is showing.

  • Jhay

    iPhone sucks!!! WP8 FTW

  • Joe_HTH

    The fact is you can buy Microsoft products at every retail store. You can’t buy Apple products at every retail store. In fact, most you can’t.

  • JoshC

    Wow it’s so nice of them to compliment the MS store and show how it is a great shopping experience where you can actually move around without being herded like cattle (or should I say sheep). I personally prefer a store where i dont have to sign up for a time slot to talk to someone about my ridiculously overpriced product

  • tkadrum

    Hate to tell you this, but the video is old (NOT during the Black Friday holiday shopping). If you see the guy in blue handing out the flyer for the Surface at the end. That was me he handed the flyer to, and it was during the Monday after the Surface weekend blitz.
    Shame on MocWeekend for falsely videos.

  • Alica

    it’s plain funny, because we all know that apple pays certain people to stay in their store to attract more people to their products, all apple ex employees know that including me, it’s a shame how apple just lie about everything!

  • slate

    Earlier this week, a friend of mine that Works in IT support, visited an architect firm. They all had the big iMac AIO and beside it an iPhone would lay on the table.

    All the iMac was running Windows and many of the iPhones had cracked glas

  • Kool

    lets get a reality check here folks, far far more people buy ipads than the Surface, far far more people buy iPhones than Windows Phones so naturally the apple store is going to be more crowded. Microsoft is NOT Apple and its a pity they are trying to emulate them. The way to win this game is to offer compelling products at various price points on a variety of hardware and carriers. Microsoft in chasing the apple pie are failing here and Google is winning.

  • http://twitter.com/jw_holmes3 J.W Holmes

    I live in Houston Texas, We have both stores and both are among the largest in the country. I can tell you that I was in the Microsift store 11/10/12 getting my 920 and win8 tablet synced.. The store was overly packed… The store techs were showing groups of people how the devices work. The people in the Microsoft were BUYING not just looking at the 3 over priced devices at apple.

  • Sunovavic

    I can believe that… I bought 2 iPad two’s for my kids… Surface just too expensive for them.

  • Steve

    There is a reason why media talks about the Apple product line in a positive fashion. Several years ago, when Steve Jobs, was still at the helm, we found out through the media grapevine that if you ever say anything bad about an Apple product, you would never again be invited back to Apple events or be part of the first group of people to review products. It is Apples way of controlling the media and making sure only positive reviews are out there when new products are launched because in the end, all they care about is their stocks not the truth or the consumer. I have been part of the computer industry since 1987 and also part of the media community too. I have seen how Apples marketing manipulates the truth. Until Samsung started going at them with Apple’s own marketing game, the whole computer industry just let Apple do what they want, not go after them and let consumers know they are full of shit. The “I am a Mac and I am a PC” commericials were bogus. Now Microsoft, HP, Lenovo, Sony have hired good marketing companies to add to what Samsung has created and over the next couple of years, it should be interesting to see where the market is at.